========================================================================= INFO-ATARI16 Digest Tue, 26 Dec 89 Volume 89 : Issue 860 Today's Topics: Chaos Strikes Back.... C question (Just a thought of mine) LHARC source and UNIX Loneliness in the Atari World? Unexpandable megas (2 msgs) Usenet messages on CIS, GEnie ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 26 Dec 89 06:16:06 GMT From: crash!pnet01!johnb@nosc.mil (John Bunch) Subject: Chaos Strikes Back.... Message-ID: <984@crash.cts.com> I got Chaos strikes back. I want to make a backup of it as I do with all my software and it took a lot of work. I was finally able to do it with the Discovery Cartridge and flux spacing. Well enough of that, the game itself is incredible.. I like it alot, although it is a lot harder then DM is.. I haven't finished DM yet, so I think I will before I start playing Chaos Strikes Back fulltime.. ;-) John. UUCP: ?hplabs!hp-sdd ucsd nosc?!crash!pnet01!johnb ARPA: crash!pnet01!johnb@nosc.mil INET: johnb@pnet01.cts.com ------------------------------ Date: Mar, 26 D?c 89 12:54:29 FRA From: 2546R%FRESTP11.BITNET@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU Subject: C question (Just a thought of mine) Date: 26 D?cembre 1989, 12:44:53 FRA From: 2546R at FRESTP11 To: info-atari16 at wsmr-simtel20.army.mil Lately there has been much discussion about how to have a character string constant in a C program. Many C experts have debated on this. Well, should I presume it is another evidence of the so-called "high portability of the C programming language" and of its "high time saving efficiency" ? ;-) .... It is just another unsecurity of C. J.M.M. ----------------------------------------------------------------- Jean Marie de Montarby 2546R@FRESTP11 (Earn/Bitnet/Netnorth) | | Croire en l'avenir et aux techniques nouvelles | Avoir le souci constant de l'utilisateur | Pour mieux construire le lendemain des autres | ------------------------------ Date: 26 Dec 89 04:46:25 GMT From: maytag!water!ljdickey@iuvax.cs.indiana.edu (L.J.Dickey) Subject: LHARC source and UNIX Message-ID: <2873@water.waterloo.edu> In article <51989@ccicpg.UUCP> paulm@ccicpg.UUCP (Paul Moreau ) writes: >Well it seems that the LHARC is going to take over the atari archiving >world. Don't jump to conclusions Paul. This does not seem too likely to me. I tried that program on a file that was posted a couple of months ago. It was a disaster. > I for one use a UNIX system for posting and recieving news > and binaries. I uudecode, and unarc on the unix system and examine > the stuff before going through the expense of going home, > making a ... call to work and download the stuff. I agree and sympathize with the writer here. I do much the same thing. However, I would insist that a program be significantly better before we switch to it. It takes a lot of effort to bring a large body of users on line to the use of new software. Readers may recall that I asked about ZOO and whether or not it was really better. I am convinced. It does offer significant improvement over ARC, and now use both ZOO (and ARC) on three systems. Now, I ask, can anyone speak up for LHARC ? Is it really any better than ARC ? I can testify that it is harder to use! I doubt if it is better than ZOO. If I am right about this, perhaps we should just let it lie in peace. -- L. J. Dickey, Faculty of Mathematics, University of Waterloo. ljdickey@water.UWaterloo.ca ljdickey@water.BITNET ljdickey@water.UUCP ..!uunet!watmath!water!ljdickey ljdickey@water.waterloo.edu ------------------------------ Date: 23 Dec 89 23:00:49 GMT From: xanth!austin@ames.arc.nasa.gov (Jason C Austin) Subject: Loneliness in the Atari World? Message-ID: <10809@xanth.cs.odu.edu> In article <21566@uflorida.cis.ufl.EDU> cr1@beach.cis.ufl.edu (Chris Roth) writes: >The thing I want to know about Atari, that NOBODY has been able to >explain to me so far, is why it seems to be ignoring the US? WHY dont >we have good advertising? Why dont we have good support? WHY can't >the few dealers we have out there seem to get the products in any >reasonable length of time? What is the problem? The ST is a great >machine, and I am happy I have one, but I am angry at the way the ST >users are treated. Any questions/comments? >From: cr1@beach.cis.ufl.edu (Christopher Roth) >Path: beach.cis.ufl.edu!cr1 I think the reason is just simple economics from Atari's point of view. The ST has had a much better selling rate in the European market; therefore, the demand for additional hardware and software is higher. Logically, Atari is going to spend most of its advertising and distrubution dollars where the demand is. This is unfortunate for US ST owners, but the company needs to do what it can to survive. -Jason(austin@cs.odu.edu) ------------------------------ Date: 26 Dec 89 08:45:40 GMT From: pacbell!sactoh0!mfolivo@ames.arc.nasa.gov (Mark F. Newton) Subject: Unexpandable megas Message-ID: <2334@sactoh0.UUCP> Gee whiz... All this bashing (will it ever end? Do they have this on c.s.amiga??) Let's see, business can change a design anytime they want, due to a number of reasons, like perhaps a better design, less expensive to make, etc. So what if Atari uses two separate board designs? Who care? Why waste our time (and money) crying about the little things? SIMMs? Maybe again, Atari has gotten better pricing on memory chips with SIMMS rather than DRAMS. **WHO CARES???** Why are you crying about why someone uses a particular type of memory chip? Does it *really, really* matter that my 4 Megabytes are DRAMS, and an STE uses 1Mb in SIMMs??? Sore ja da-cha, Shinobu -- Sakura-mento, CA mmsac!sactoh0!mfolivo mfolivo@sactoh0 pacbell!sactoh0!mfolivo (they're worth a try...) ------------------------------ Date: 26 Dec 89 08:36:42 GMT From: pacbell!sactoh0!mfolivo@ames.arc.nasa.gov (Mark F. Newton) Subject: Unexpandable megas Message-ID: <2333@sactoh0.UUCP> With all the discussion (to me, whining) about how "easy" it is to expand IBM memory as opposed to the Mega, (blah blah blah), I have one thing to say. Why do you need megabytes upon megabytes of memory, if you use a computer in a home environment? Do you really need 93 Terabytes to do word processing? I have a Mega 4, and for home purposes, it is sufficient. And even for small business use, 4Mb is certainly enough to drive laser printers. Do some people really know how much memory 4Mb is? Most small businesses get by with 640k, maybe even 1Mb (which most IBMs only use less than 640k in their programs). I mean, 4000kb is not enough? About not being able to expand the Mega 2, has someone from Atari responded to my posting about the 2Mb expansion kit from Atari? To reiterate, I once worked at an Atari dealer, and we had a couple of these 2Mb expansion boards that plugged into the expansion bus. Since I had a Mega 4, you couldn't plug it in, but we never sold one to any Mega 2 owners. With all this talk about more memory, is this expansion board still available from Atari? For home use, and small business use 4Mb is certainly enough. And if you *really* need more capacity, then the TT is for you. (Although you need to go to Europe to get one) Mata ne da-cha, Shinobu -- Sakura-mento, CA mmsac!sactoh0!mfolivo mfolivo@sactoh0 pacbell!sactoh0!mfolivo (they're worth a try...) ------------------------------ Date: 25 Dec 89 15:51:29 GMT From: agate!bionet!uwm.edu!mailrus!jarvis.csri.toronto.edu!utgpu!attcan!lsuc!jimomura @ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Jim Omura) Subject: Usenet messages on CIS, GEnie Message-ID: <1989Dec25.105130.23070@lsuc.on.ca> In article <2327@sactoh0.UUCP> mfolivo@sactoh0.UUCP (Mark F. Newton) writes: >Hmm. Alot of traffic on comp.sys.atari.st screaming, pleading, >apologizing, etc, about the posting of Usenet articles on GEnie. > >From what I have read, a majority of the posters disliked the idea >very strongly, that Usenet messages appear on a pay service, that >is, a one-way link- Usenet on GEnie, but nothing from GEnie to >Usenet. This is a long standing problem and we've been wrestling with it on BIX. If I can blow our horn a bit, at least on BIX we *care* about how people feel about moving messages from Usenet to BIX. I've shared messages from 'rec.arts.anime' with some specific people on BIX, but I've only made general postings of things on special occasions and usually with specific approval by authors. You people must realize that there are specific *commercial* Usenet nodes around, don't you? Actually, I've long felt that it was improper to post *anything* on the Net which was not FULLY PUBLIC DOMAIN. This has nothing to do with legality, but simply a recognition that the Net exists because the NODES PAY FOR IT. Since every node contributes effectively to everyone else on the Net, how can you justify stopping anyone on the net from making the fullest possible usage of anything that you post to it? If you've been following 'comp.os.os9' you'll know that *every* program I have posted to Usenet which was my own work over the years has been declared fully public domain. Nor do I restrict any other postings I make which are my own work (not that most people care about whether I declare my opinion messages as public domain or not :-). Despite this, we have specific permission on BIX to carry the 'risks' stuff, thanks to the Net moderator. Furthermore, we are acting as a network node for the Citadel network under the efforts of Jefferson Software. So that's my stand: 1. I have not been porting to BIX from Usenet en masse for the BIX public, 2. I do not feel people are right to complain about the practice of using these messages on the commercial systems. But this leaves me with a problem: If people are doing this on Compuserve and Genie, then BIX may be at a competitive disadvantge because I've been the "good guy". So maybe I should change my practice and start posting a digest of 'rec.arts.anime' on BIX? I don't know. How do you people feel about this? Cheers! -- Jim O. > >I understand that someone in rec.arts.anime compiles messages >(edited? unknown.) and uploads it to CompuServe's Japanimation >forum's downloads section, as "Usenet Digests". Now, as I >understand it, noone there has said anything about it. So the users >in r.a.a. apparently does't mind that their messages have to be >"paid for" and downloaded from CIS. > >When I was on CIS, I used to see the files, but due to the size of >them (usually around 32k) I never dloaded them. (read: $$$) But >when I found out there was a local public access to Usenet, I >switched and use this system exclusively. > >Now the users in r.a.a. apparently feel that the availability of >anime information should be passed around, and it is my impression >that c.s.a.st users do not want Usenet appearing on any pay >service. > >Oyasuminasai da-cha, >Shinobu > > >-- >Sakura-mento, CA > >mmsac!sactoh0!mfolivo mfolivo@sactoh0 >pacbell!sactoh0!mfolivo (they're worth a try...) -- Jim Omura, 2A King George's Drive, Toronto, (416) 652-3880 lsuc!jimomura Byte Information eXchange: jimomura ------------------------------ End of INFO-ATARI16 Digest V89 Issue #860 *****************************************